So today I have the opportunity to talk to Gary McCready. He is the HVAC No at all which means he is the founder of the HVAC No at all podcast. I met up with Gary, I don’t know, couple months back and I did a interview for his show talking about process chillers and I’ve been really looking forward to getting him on how are you doing today Gary?

I’m doing well. I think you over embellished I’m not really a know it all. Thank you. I’m not I’m the Know It All thing is really just sarcastic and it’s based on a lot of people have asked me and a lot of people have said, Well, I wish I was a know it all and try to poke fun. But it’s really loosely based on sarcasm and people within this industry, especially online thinking they know everything. So I’m like, let’s put a little bit of a, a humorous sort of fun spin on this. And yeah,

that’s awesome. Yeah, I actually had become a regular listener of your, your show. It’s just it’s a lot of fun. And I’m just kind of, I wish there was more technicians out there like you that have been willing to, you know, contribute to the industry. And really, you know, get the word out there about all the really cool stuff going on. So give my audience a little bit of background on you as the Tech because you’re actually in a working HVAC refrigeration tech.

Yes, I’ve. So I’m, I’m 43 now, and I started in the trade when I was 18. I went to trade school, like right out of high school, a couple of years. And then right out of high school, or sorry, right out a trade school, I got hired with the company that I’m at. Now still. So as you can see, I’ve got a real committed personality. So when I, when I go in, I go, I go all in. And I’ve been in the trade now for 25 years. And it’s been awesome. There’s there’s good days, there’s bad days, there’s, there’s days where I’m like, I don’t get paid enough. And there’s days where I’m like, Wow, I’m getting paid way too much to do that. Do what I’m doing right now. So it’s a balance. And it’s a journey in the education, it can’t stop. Because if the day that education stops and you stop learning, that’s when you’re going to become stale not to win this trade is gonna get real boring real fast. You got to really keep on your toes and stay up to date on what’s happening.

Yeah, and you definitely do that. So tell me about your podcast. So what, you know, what drove you to get back going? Because how long have you been doing your podcast now?

Since 2018, it was probably early 2018. So we’re probably at about the four year mark right now of the podcast. And this year, we’re gonna hit a million downloads it looks like so it’s been pretty cool. Pretty pretty, I guess up and down journey because when I first started, I had no idea. I was basically scrolling through my phone. And I saw this ad on Instagram for anchor saying the easiest way to start a podcast. And I’m like, huh, so I clicked on it. And I read about it. And at that time, you could only record five minutes segments. It was really, really strange. So I did, I did one saying, Hey, guys, I’m going to try this podcast out. And I hit publish. And then the next one, I’m like, let’s talk about something that the audience might like or learn from, and it was talking about electrical circuits. And I was literally in my bathroom. In the powder room on the first floor of my house with this cheap little mic set, like $30 mic, set that one around my head headset with a terrible mic on it. And if you go back and listen to the first band, the first year, first year and a half of the podcast, it’s kind of embarrassing for me to go back and listen to because the audio is terrible, I didn’t really have a handle on it. But then, obviously you learn as you go through the motions, you learn, you learn you learn better platforms to podcast on that you get get, I guess more in tune with the the right equipment you need and all that kind of stuff. So it has been a journey, but it’s been fun. And I just I love talking to people and learning new stuff every single week as usually we do an interview at least once a week and man that the amount of stuff I’ve learned is just it’s incredible.

Yeah, it’s really interesting how you know, when you immerse yourself in education, that almost immediately comes back to you. In other words, you get better by having to teach and share. It just It broadens your horizon, right.

Correct. You’re absolutely right. When you actually if you know something, see this, this is what I would challenge anybody to do that think they’re knowledgeable in, in a certain subject, you might think you’re knowledgeable until you have to stand in front of people and explain it to them. Right. So if you think you’re knowledgeable on a subject, go home and try to explain it to your kid or your nephew or niece or whoever, a kid in your family, and try to explain to them so they understand. And I guarantee most people, if they’re not already in education already and have a sort of like a drawn out way, they want to explain things, they’re going to get caught up, they’re going to get caught up. So it’s really to educate people, there’s really a bit of an art to it, because you have to, you have to sort of relay that information in a way that’s very basic, and sort of builds and progresses through that, that basic sort of instruction, or mid mid level instruction to a more advanced sort of explanation as as you go. And it’s really difficult to do that. Like when I first started trying to do videos of teaching stuff. It was like, cut cut, the amount of outtakes I have is unbelievable, because I felt I wasn’t explaining it right. And they always say if you can, if you know something, well, you can explain it to a five year old. And that would be the test. If you think you know something, well try to talk to a five year old and let them mix and understand it. And if you can’t do it, you might have to work on your your skills. And I I’m constantly working on my skills to relate information all the time. But the more you do it, the better you get at it.

Yeah, I definitely agree with that. He how’s the how’s the situation, I got a huge list of questions I want to ask you. So let me just start barreling through it here. So how’s the labor situation up in Canada? Are you like you’ve been in this trade a long time? And you know, what, what have you seen because my experience has been that the the demand for technicians, and in all the trades, not just HVAC continues to rise, because you know, the older guys are retiring or whatever they’re getting out of the trade for whatever reason. Are you seeing the same situation up there in Canada, where there’s just this constant drumbeat of shortages?

Yep. Everybody’s looking like I everybody’s I talked to a few business owners on the regular, that are outside of the company that I worked for. And they’re always looking for people. I know, some business need two, three guys right now. But they can’t find them. Yeah, and not that they can’t find a warm body, they can’t find an experience. person that’s willing to the work. It’s not that they’re not willing to work for them, they’re already because the pool of talent is so slimmed out. Any company that any company owner that’s smart is going to is going to take those, those those technicians and keep a hold of them, they’re not going to let them go anywhere. Right? Yeah, pay them, what they need to pay them, give them the benefits, they need, the vacation time they need, so on and so forth. So you’re, you’re you’re really have a swimming pool of really, really experienced technicians. What you need to do really, is hopefully you can grab some, some young people, and that are green, maybe have a little bit of experience from school and you got to mold them, you got to mold them from the way you sort of want them to, to perform. And hopefully that’s at a high level and teach them, educate them, train them. And as they progress through, let them know how well they’re progressing. And, and reimburse them, the income, the benefits, whatever they need to keep with your company. Because if you don’t keep the employee happy these days, they’re gonna walk and find somewhere else. So right, yeah, you have shortages. It’s mostly with the experienced techs, I find that there’s, there’s, the younger crew is willing to step in and try. But even even that slimming out, I find lately the good thing is, is that in, in Ontario here, I’ve been hearing a lot of advertisements. And for the skilled trades, it’s on the radio and I’m driving, there’s a lot of hots for the skilled trades, which is a good thing. So hopefully that over time sort of makes the shift, but there’s going to be a gap there’s going to be a gap between the experienced and the younger guys coming in. And somewhere in that middle. That’s going to be the problem, that that middle gap right is going to be the problem.

Yeah. Yeah, one of the things that because I still talk to a lot of technicians that that I know out there, some of them, you know, used to work for me years and years ago and they they’ve done very, very well but what I’m hearing is that that constant struggle especially for the younger guys, you know, maybe their journey men but their new journey men, so they have you know, they’re married, their kids are young. And work life balance has always been a challenge for skilled trades. But it seems like that’s kind of intensifying now because there’s so much demand for the services that technicians provide and there’s not enough technicians doing it. These technicians have, you know, all the hours available that they might want, but they they’re struggling, it seems to me more with work life balance than they ever did before. What do you think about that?

So, for me the position I’m in right now I’ve, I’ve come off call, because I’ve been in this company for so long, and I rarely get nobody really calls me to work on the weekend. So for me, the work life balance is really, it’s there. I’ve got it, which I enjoy. Now that might change in the near future. That’s what we’ll see. We’ll see. We’ll see. I have some some news coming probably in a couple of months. But that might change for me in the future. But right now I’ve got it. But what I would say is the work life balance thing. I think it’s, it needs to be addressed. Because I’ve talked to too many texts that get burnt out. I’ve talked to one tackle using in, in Germany, in Croatia. Basically, he, he worked himself to the bone where his brother found them in bed, like not, not responsive, anything because he was overworked. He had to be taken to the hospital. He spent time in the hospital. But he was in a rough spot. And because he was overworked. You got to you got to take your breaks, you got to take your rests, and my pal Jake Gibson that moved out to BC, British Columbia, Canada here, he started a company and he’s a nine to five or seven, a seven to four, whatever his hours are, they don’t do after hours work. They don’t do weekend work

in a new business really successful.

So he tells us customers, if they call it a weekend, our our hours are set for during the day. And he’ll we’ll send somebody out if it’s a dire, dire emergency. Right? If it’s minus 20 degrees Celsius outside and they have no heat. Yeah. Okay. But if it’s if it’s 25 degrees outside, in the middle of the summer Celsius, which is not that warm, and someone’s complaining about their, their their cooling. He’s like, Yeah, we’ll send somebody out on a Monday. That’s how he runs this company. And I think that I’ve had this conversation with many people about this. This way of doing things and a lot of people said, You know what, come to think of it, I think if because I do good work in my customers and join me and they want me to come out. If it’s not a crazy emergency, they’ll wait for me, he’s like, that actually might be a good option. And the other option is to, for a person starting out to create work life balance for themselves, get into a partnership with other companies, right? And want your weekends or you want your evenings, find some companies that will take your on call for you. They’re going to take the work, they’re not going to say no to it. I mean, that’s also an option, right? Nine companies locally, call them out and say, Hey, listen, I’m starting out. I’m a family man, I’m not available 24/7 I will gladly pay you as a subcontractor if you take my own call for me after hours. Right? I mean, that’s that that is a definite opposite

idea. That’s a great idea.

So I mean, though I agree work life balance that needs to be addressed. It needs to be something that’s focused on. And I think there’s so much work out there. That a solid technician, a good technician, is going to be able to pick and choose between what they want to do. And that oldest right now, take this window right now of opportunity. If anybody’s listening, if you’re really good at what you do at your craft, and pick and choose what you want to do. Like, for instance, a tech could go out on their own a good tech could go out on their own and call up and this is a reversal of what I said, call up 10 companies and go I know you guys need Tech’s I know you can’t get them. I know you have an overflow of work. How about you lean on me as a crutch as a subcontractor you have work to do. Call me I will do your work, I’ll charge you a sub rate, but at least you’re getting your customers needs taken care of. Right. And then you have this you have this dealings with maybe five to 10 companies that all are struggling to get their work done and can’t find find tax. And this is a good business model, I think for any good tech is call these companies up and be their crotch and do all of their overflow of work as a subcontractor. So I mean, there’s so much opportunity.

Yeah. Yeah. So Gary, I want to talk to the the young folks out there. There’s, I think COVID If there’s any, any good thing that came out of it, I don’t know how it is up there in Canada, but here in the US. I think parents are or have become awakened to what’s really going on in the public schools because they a lot of parents were looking over the shoulders of their kids online, you know, seeing what they’re learning and stuff. And I think that the awakening it has to do with the school experience that parents had, and I’m talking school experience from, you know, grade school all the way up into college is much, much different now than it was when they went to school. And I think parents are, I don’t know, if you were having this challenge here of recrafting are rebranding skilled trades, in the fact that it’s really a viable option for a career path. We know where it used to be, well, you know, if everything else doesn’t work out, you can always be a plumber or an HVAC guy, or, you know, you can always learn a skill trade. And anyway, what I’m what I want to find out is what? What do you think about, you know, the, how We clarify the message about skilled trades, with people just getting out of high school, that, you know, if these, if these individuals in their gut know that college is not for them? What, you know, what do you say to those folks about skilled trades? And you know, what, what do you think we can do to recraft, the, the message?

Well, one, the the opportunity, the opportunity in the skilled trades, and because there is this gap that we talked about, there’s a massive opportunity right now, for any, any high school student that’s getting out of high school now, to really jump in. And within the next 1015 years, while there is this gap, because I eventually think that with all of the promotion and push of the skilled trades over the next five years or so, in 25 years, we could be saturated, again, that I mean, that’s, that’s definitely something that could happen. But now, we just have to let them know about the opportunity that’s involved in and I say this all the time when I’m trying to talk to other texts online, is that we need to show them all these cool gadgets and all these cool tools and how the trades advancing. And if we don’t show them that stuff, and teach them that stuff, and teach them the old dinosaur ways. While in my day, this is how we used to do it. They don’t care about that. I mean, some of them care about some kids care about history of things, but not so much. They want to know what’s now and what what the future is going to provide them. So we have to start, you have to start teaching at the college level. For sure, in the trade schools, the advancements in that’s been happening in the trades, right? Like pull out, pull out your phone and download the apps that all these manufacturers have and actually use them in your in your classes. Like if we’re putting a central air monitor that that monitors indoor air quality. Show them that download the app, show them how it works, teach them how indoor air quality can create opportunities within with your clients. Because yeah, we have bad, we have particulate matter in the air that’s high humidity that’s low. We have the poor ventilation that we’re seeing on this monitor. Now guys, how do we turn this into, into something that we can now provide for our customers, legit good work, provide ventilation through HRVs, provide a humidifier and then teach them what an HRV does teach them what a humidifier does. And this all starts with the now technology right? Teach them that.

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Going backwards, like when I was in school, for instance, when I was in trade school, probably my third or second or third block after I was As an apprentice, they were teaching us about carrier time clocks, mechanical carrier time clocks that had been in the industry for 20 years, 30 years at that point, and I had seen one, one, in my whole career, and they’re still teaching is that teaches new stuff, right? That’s what’s gonna, that’s gonna catch your interest. And the opportunity and the avenues that we can go down, you can be your own boss, in the skilled trades, set your own hours, you can start a company, and if you have a family, you can grow a family business. Like if I got three sons, if I started a company today, I could teach them how to do the trade, they’d have a job for life by the time they got to that point. So I think it’s about opportunity, and teaching, the current stuff and the stuff that’s going to be the future of the trade is really going to help.

Yeah, I know, I sent you a message. I don’t know, couple weeks back, because that’s one of the biggest things I get out of your show. Because you’re always talking about these new gadgets, service gadgets, right? I’m like, I was half joking, but I was half serious. I was like, Man, if I you know, these, these new really cool tools to fix HVAC refrigeration here are so much there’s so much better now. I almost kind of wish I was back out in the field, just play with the tools.

It’s, it’s, it’s crazy. And it’s funny anytime I get something that’s new that like, for instance, rapid locking system press fittings, right, the textbook is the technology is fairly new. And people don’t fully process it yet. And I fully understand that because it’s new. It’s it’s okay to be skeptical. It’s okay to be skeptical. It’s just it’s not okay to be closed minded. Say, yep, that’s not going to work. I’ll stick to bracing. I don’t think that’s the mentality we should have. Bracing is a solid. It’s, it’s yours. But there’s alternatives for a reason, because we can’t get into some places and just pull out a torch like hospitals, like facilities where they might be using a flammable liquid or vapor. There’s many, many different places where an alternative can be used and Testing, testing them, learning them, and being educated on it. Because one day, you might get spec to job where it says no torch. Well, what do you do now that you’ve dismissed the thing that we’ve talked about before? Over here? Like, why not just stay open minded through the process, try it yourself. Reach out to the manufacturer, get information, get, get case studies, talk to people, other people in the trade that have used it outside of the manufacturer, get there too, right? And then and really just come to your own conclusion, rather than just saying, No, I’ll just stick to bracing. That’s just one example. Right? It was one. It’s just like I said, the technology’s there. Let’s understand it. Let’s learn it just in case one day, we need to pick it up and use it.

Right. Right. So Gary, I want to I want to jump over you. Actually, you made a really great segue I think into the next thing I want to find out from you. So I want to talk about work ethic or also referred to as habits that new technicians are just getting into the trade doesn’t matter what trade skill trade and, you know, the everybody knows that you got to show up to work on time. You got to try to have a good attitude every day even though you have your difficult days. Everybody does. What’s the secret sauce, Gary like what what other things besides the two I just mentioned? Can a new technician or stolen apprentice What habits or ethical issues you know, things they can do? That really puts them above the pack? Everybody else would which will help them grow in their success within the trade.

So that that one there? We need to take time for ourselves outside of work habit of every night, going home and taking an hour, whatever, whatever time you have. I mean, usually the the kids starting out, a lot of them are still living at home. I mean, they don’t have a lot of responsibilities, right? Because when I started, I was living at home. I had zero responsibilities except waking up and going to work. When I came home. My time was mine. I didn’t have a family, I didn’t have kids. And so take some time and really, really dig deep. For instance, I’ve wrote in articles and an on podcast said this. If you are with your journeyman that day and you guys throw in a high efficiency furnace, right and all you’re doing is getting him stuff and or first stuff and doing this doing that you’re not really fully grasping what’s going on because you’re just running around helping your tech. We’ll go home that night and research high efficiency furnaces, how they work You know what I mean? Just maybe watch some install videos now that you’re not being the the gofer for your tech, watch a video on how it gets installed. And really hone in on that that one thing the next day, if you change a compressor, same thing, make some notes while you’re on site. Hopefully you can take some pics, I know the journeymen, a lot of them don’t like it when the apprentice takes their phone out and stuff. But I had an apprentice I work with. Every time I told him something, he take a picture and he’d make notes right on that picture. I’m okay with the fault. And as long as they’re using the phone, to take notes to look stuff up, you know what I mean? Take pictures, take videos, as long as you’re not texting the girlfriend or their boyfriend back and forth like that’s, that’s obviously something that’s done on your break or your lunch. But phone in the hand is not a problem for me if they’re using it for good to learn. So, so that is that is probably number one. As far as, as far as the apprentice is going home taking time for themselves, and learning outside of work, you’re not going to get paid for it. But you’re not going to get better if you just if you just try to get your education on the job, because you’re not going to get the education on the job because you’re too busy. Like I said, running around getting parts for for this person that person or handing tools, right? So once you see the stuff in person, go home and do a little bit of legwork on your own to try to advance like just just try to get that that knowledge level up a little bit higher.

Yeah, when I call that Gary is a is a curiosity mindset. The word you know, you’re you’re just naturally or actually you’ve taught yourself how to be curious about things that you saw during the day that you you know, need some blanks filled in, because let’s face it when your hair’s on fire running service calls in the middle of the summer, a lot of times journeymen you know, even if they want to teach you they just they just don’t have the bandwidth to slow down and teach you you know, at that time.

That’s that’s that’s a good point. Because a lot of journeymen, they know their job. They know what they’re there to do physically. But a lot of apprentices will ask questions that are technical bait like, because when an apprentice is in school, they’re learning. They’re learning all this technical stuff, right, that a lot of times doesn’t pertain to the on site stuff, right? So I’ve had apprentices the last me well, what is the specific way to the specific gravity of water? Like I have no idea what that is, like? That is? But I mean, I think when those questions come in, to the to the senior tech, maybe at lunchtime, just okay, this guy’s curious. Let’s try to help them out. Let’s look this stuff up together. And I’ve always tried to do that as best I can. Yeah, and it is best not to, to bullshit an answer. Don’t just say something. Because I’ve seen this too, where you ask the question, they just bullshit an answer. But it’s not really the answer. They just say what they’ve been told through through the years, they’ve been in the trade. And I mean, define that original person that told them that just, it sort of filtered through. I mean, that person could have been totally, totally wrong in the first place. And then every generation that’s told that it changes just a little bit and you end up with this complete, crazy lie of about what they’re doing. And the trade is not even true, it doesn’t work, it doesn’t apply. So I think there needs to be a rethink on the level of the senior tack when they’re teaching the apprentice.

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That’s a great question. Um, probably a bad example of what you should do when you start making money when I was younger, because I would, we were like, I’m close to Niagara Falls here, it was like, literally, every second weekend, it was like me, and you’re 2223 years old, making $30 an hour. I mean, you got cash to blow, still living at home, go to Niagara Falls and drop $400 in a night, going to the casino and like, and you continue to get to this, you’re just you just dwindle your cash away. I would really seriously. Like for me, for my kids the way I want to teach them about investing their money properly, into retirement savings funds into into the figuring out how the stock market works. Even crypto these days, you can make money doing a lot of stuff, if you know where to invest it and you’re educated on that investment. And I think that’s that’s, that’s the goal is to try to retain your money, but make your money work for you with finding some sort of investment, whether it be going in and buying a house with your significant other and renting out the basement or rooms in the house and having your mortgage paid down faster by other people renting for I’ve known tons of people that have done this, they’ve went out and bought a house at an early age. And they rented out as as much space in that house as they possibly could. Right and kept it to three years. They didn’t have a mortgage payment, and they’re actually collecting money on the rent. So they’re living they’re living rent free mortgage free, he might have to put up with tenants for a bit. But that Headstart that that initial investment gives a young person is incredible. Instead of their money they’re actually they’re actually accumulating money and growing an investment because you buy a house at X amount of dollars three four years later you sell it for usually at a higher price unless there’s a market crash and during that time you’re having your mortgage paid for by your by your renters.

But yeah, it’s just a habit. You know, being smart with your money. It’s just just a it’s just a good habit to have and what I found we’re talking about work life balance, man money issues can knock your work life balance off so fast, you know, it can just infection in so many different ways. You know?

100% of kids yeah, so I mean, the real estate market obviously, these days, well, at least here it’s I don’t know how a young person Afford a House nowadays. But that was just an example of I see back in the day, but now I mean, a lot of these younger kids are getting into cryptocurrency and there’s there’s real ways to make money off of it by doing it correctly, and paying attention to the stock market and stuff like that and going in early with this money and letting that money do the work for you over time where it’s making money as you sleep as what we call passive income and I think that these young kids instead of blowing their money, need to find places to invest it

Yeah, for sure. What do you think? What do you think about you know, like technicians and business owners what can they do to start to attract talent into the into the trades like getting out and talk to kids more and you know, what are what are some Have you tried anything that actually is has evolved into getting people into the trades?

Well, I it’s it’s funny because I have I get messages probably Once, twice, three times a month from apprentices asking if they can come work with me so I can teach them. Right? Obviously, I can’t be like, Yeah, okay, I can’t tell my company to hire somebody just so they can come work with me, right. But the reason that is, is because I try to as much as I can relay information that I’ve learned and obtained over time, and I share it with people. So they’re getting the fact that I’m open to training. And I think that’s what the companies need to do, they got to be open to the fact and show these young kids and apprentices and want to be techs that they’re going to get trained, they’re going to have an opportunity to continue to learn every day, if they just get hired, they become a number and just go out every day and change filters and change belts or, or jump out cooling. And yeah, it’s working on to the next one. It’s not really, it’s, there’s no growth in that. taken aside, and trained once in a while and get the opportunity to do so. And obviously, with that, we pay scale, we need a good solid pay scale we need working towards maybe the company paying for some of your your retirement fund. The company giving you more benefits at some point that that include extras, I just think there needs to be opportunity, there needs to be training. And there used to be a scalable sort of method where as you grow, your your compensation is going to grow with it. Very good. Getting out to the schools is a good one too. But you can do it on rich people. You can reach more people online, then you can standing in front of a classroom of 20 people. You got to do it the right way.

Yeah, I’ve had a couple of people that I’ve talked to that are thinking about skilled trades, and I referred him to your podcast I have I have a shortlist. And I’ll tell them hey, you know, get on subscribe over at Gary’s podcast and he will you’ll be blown away at the stuff that he’s talking about. And this could be you know, your life and and I think you know, it’s it’s just, it’s just super cool what you’re doing, man, keep it up. So that is it. I hope you enjoyed this episode. I very much look forward to continuing to connect with you. Please don’t hesitate to send me messages on LinkedIn. I’m on there all the time. Or you can reach out to me on my email. I’m at M King at process Tiller Academy calm and until next week. When I give you the next installment I wish you a great week, and I will connect up with you again soon. Take care.